I'm, running See You Mobile on the HP310 as a backup NAV system, and I
really like it except for the failure to get a contest start in 6 out
of 6 attempts at R5E. Does anyone know the secret combination to
getting it give you a contest start??

On Jun 11, 5:44*pm, SF > wrote:
> I'm, running See You Mobile on the HP310 as a backup NAV system, and I
> really like it except for the failure to get a contest start in 6 out
> of 6 attempts at R5E. *Does anyone know the secret combination to
> getting it give you a contest start??

Menu - Task

Select the start and then Go TO

A warning will sound and a womans voice will say "Task Started" when
you exit the cylinder.

Richard
www.craggyaero.com

On Jun 11, 8:44*pm, SF > wrote:
> I'm, running See You Mobile on the HP310 as a backup NAV system, and I
> really like it except for the failure to get a contest start in 6 out
> of 6 attempts at R5E. *Does anyone know the secret combination to
> getting it give you a contest start??

There is no secret, just define the start cylinder radius and
altitude. Then hit the start button like Richard says.

PS. Simulator mode is your friend. You can replay your R5E flights
at home and try different combinations of task parameters.

Todd
3S

On Jun 11, 9:04*pm, Richard > wrote:
> On Jun 11, 5:44*pm, SF > wrote:
>
> > I'm, running See You Mobile on the HP310 as a backup NAV system, and I
> > really like it except for the failure to get a contest start in 6 out
> > of 6 attempts at R5E. *Does anyone know the secret combination to
> > getting it give you a contest start??
>
> Menu *- *Task
>
> Select the start and then Go TO
>
> A warning will sound and a womans voice will say "Task Started" when
> you exit the cylinder.
>
> Richardwww.craggyaero.com

Just to be clear, setting a Goto waypoint has nothing to do with
SeeYou Mobile calling a start or not. It won't hurt but it is not
required and won't be causing the problem the original poster
reported.

Another option to get that first destination Goto is to just Load the
Task and then once you start just press the Start button (the black
one where the Start time is displayed). That gets rid of the Start
button and automatically sets the Goto destination as the first
turnpoint in the task. One less thing to do and some people might
like having the start waypoint or home airport set as the Goto
location before the start. There is nothing wrong with manually
setting the Goto, and I'm sure a lot of pilots do this, but it is not
required for SeeYou Mobile to do a Start.

If you do press the Start button, be aware what this means. SeeYou
Mobile thinks you have really started and won't display another Start
time. I think many people get themselves confused on this an press the
Start button when it is displaying "--:--:--" (it's always sitting
over something useful right!) and then they won't see it again -
SeeYou Mobile took that as a you really wanted to start then and
there. You can note your proper start time and adjust it in
Mc&Alt>Soaring Time. The only way of telling SeeYou Mobile you messed
up and want it to do the auto start time thing is to restart it. There
may be an easier way, but reloading a task does not do it.

Darryl

On Jun 11, 5:44*pm, SF > wrote:
> I'm, running See You Mobile on the HP310 as a backup NAV system, and I
> really like it except for the failure to get a contest start in 6 out
> of 6 attempts at R5E. *Does anyone know the secret combination to
> getting it give you a contest start??

It is not clear from the question what the exact symptoms are. If it
is more involved it is probably better to ask this question on the
Naviter SeeYou Mobile support forum. And as others have suggested I
expect that playing with the simulator will help you a lot.

When you say "Get a US Contest Start" are you getting a start at all
or just not one that complies with the exact USA rules?

During a Start you should see a white banner appear at the of the
screen with a start time and speed and the Start box (which looks like
a navbox) should show the start time in place of "--:--:--" and the
nice lady saying "Task Started". Are you getting that behavior?

Are you displaying task property navboxes (like tDelta, tRemain, tDis,
etc.) and seeing them behave as you expect or is it just that you
don't see a Start announcement and Start box pop up? (the later is
working as designed if you have previously pressed the Start button).

Were you starting out the top or the start cylinder and expecting
SeeYou Mobile to do a start then? It won't, it will only start out the
side of the cylinder AFAIK, but to confuse things SeeYou (PC software)
will score starts out the top and can be set to somewhat follow USA
style start rules)

Have you been pressing the "Start --:--:--" button? Or the start
button with a time value in it and then surprised that you don't see
another Start button when you actually try to Start?

Is there a task loaded on the PDA. Yes sorry, a question equivalent to
"is the PC plugged in" - and it should be obvious since you should see
the loaded task on the map display. Go to Menu>Task>Tools>Load
Task... to pick one of the predefined tasks (with an iPAQ 310 usually
written to the SD card from SeeYou on your PC and then plugged into
the 310).

Do you have the correct OZ settings for the start? Do you see the
start cylinder displayed on the map (default ugly semi-transparent
pink circle).

Another issue (which won't be causing all your problems) is if SeeYou
Mobile thinks you have finished a task (or maybe it's just made it to
the first turnpoint, regardless if you press the Start button and you
try to repeat the task it won't give you a start. The only way that I
know for sure to force SeeYou Mobile to allow you to run another task
is to restart the Application (Menu>Exit). Maybe there are better
ways.

---

As other mentioned using the Simulator built into SeeYou Mobile can be
useful in exploring the software behavior. You can also play with the
SeeYou Mobile Simulator on a PC, although I think the exact versions
of the PC simulator might not always keep up with the latest SeeYou
Mobile releases for PDAs and PNAs. For the ultimate simulation hook
your PDA or PNA up to your PC (using a serial port or over bluetooth)
and run a soaring simulator like Condor or Silent wings and feed the
simulated NMEA output to your PDA or PNA. For a (painfully) detailed
description of how to use Silent Wings on a Mac to drive SeeYou Mobile
on a PDA see http://www.darrylramm.com/2008/12/04/silent-wings-on-a-mac-to-seeyou-mobile-over-bluetooth/


Darryl

On Jun 12, 7:54*am, toad > wrote:
> On Jun 11, 8:44*pm, SF > wrote:
>
> > I'm, running See You Mobile on the HP310 as a backup NAV system, and I
> > really like it except for the failure to get a contest start in 6 out
> > of 6 attempts at R5E. *Does anyone know the secret combination to
> > getting it give you a contest start??
>
> There is no secret, just define the start cylinder radius and
> altitude. *Then hit the start button like Richard says.
>
> PS. *Simulator mode is your friend. * You can replay your R5E flights
> at home and try different combinations of task parameters.
>
> Todd
> 3S

Start altitude and SeeYou Mobile? I'll pay good money to know how you
get that to work.

Darryl

On Jun 12, 8:46*pm, Darryl Ramm > wrote:
> On Jun 11, 5:44*pm, SF > wrote:
>
> > I'm, running See You Mobile on the HP310 as a backup NAV system, and I
> > really like it except for the failure to get a contest start in 6 out
> > of 6 attempts at R5E. *Does anyone know the secret combination to
> > getting it give you a contest start??
>
> It is not clear from the question what the exact symptoms are. *If it
> is more involved it is probably better to ask this question on the
> Naviter SeeYou Mobile support forum. And as others have suggested I
> expect that playing with the simulator will help you a lot.
>
> When you say "Get a US Contest Start" are you getting a start at all
> or just not one that complies with the exact USA rules?
>
> During a Start you should see a white banner appear at the of the
> screen with a start time and speed and the Start box (which looks like
> a navbox) *should show the start time in place of "--:--:--" and the
> nice lady saying "Task Started". Are you getting that behavior?
>
> Are you displaying task property navboxes (like tDelta, tRemain, tDis,
> etc.) and seeing them behave as you expect or is it just that you
> don't see a Start announcement and Start box pop up? (the later is
> working as designed if you have previously pressed the Start button).
>
> Were you starting out the top or the start cylinder and expecting
> SeeYou Mobile to do a start then? It won't, it will only start out the
> side of the cylinder AFAIK, but to confuse things SeeYou (PC software)
> will score starts out the top and can be set to somewhat *follow USA
> style start rules)
>
> Have you been pressing *the "Start --:--:--" button? Or the start
> button with a time value in it and then surprised that you don't see
> another Start button when you actually try to Start?
>
> Is there a task loaded on the PDA. Yes sorry, a question equivalent to
> "is the PC plugged in" - and it should be obvious since you should see
> the loaded task on the map display. Go to Menu>Task>Tools>Load
> Task... *to pick one of the predefined tasks (with an iPAQ 310 usually
> written to the SD card from SeeYou on your PC and then plugged into
> the 310).
>
> Do you have the correct OZ settings for the start? Do you see the
> start cylinder displayed on the map (default ugly semi-transparent
> pink circle).
>
> Another issue (which won't be causing all your problems) is if SeeYou
> Mobile thinks you have finished a task (or maybe it's just made it to
> the first turnpoint, regardless if you press the Start button and you
> try to repeat the task it won't give you a start. *The only way that I
> know for sure to force SeeYou Mobile to allow you to run another task
> is to restart the Application (Menu>Exit). Maybe there are better
> ways.
>
> ---
>
> As other mentioned using the Simulator built into SeeYou Mobile can be
> useful in exploring the software behavior. *You can also play with the
> SeeYou Mobile Simulator on a PC, although I think the exact versions
> of the PC simulator might not always keep up with the latest SeeYou
> Mobile releases for PDAs and PNAs. For the ultimate simulation hook
> your PDA or PNA up to your PC (using a serial port or over bluetooth)
> and run a soaring simulator like Condor or Silent wings and feed the
> simulated NMEA output to your PDA or PNA. For a (painfully) detailed
> description of how to use Silent Wings on a Mac to drive SeeYou Mobile
> on a PDA seehttp://www.darrylramm.com/2008/12/04/silent-wings-on-a-mac-to-seeyou-...
>
> Darryl

Oops and I need to correct myself.... I forgot the Start reset
behavior (I never use it).

You don't have to restart SeeYou... If you do want to do another start
after you press the Start button. You can go to Menu>Task and select
the Start waypoint at the top of the page and then press the Goto
button at the bottom of the page.

This is resetting the logical position in the task and is different
than just changing the Goto on a map page, that won't do what you
want.

I'll be quiet now...

Darryl

On Jun 13, 12:21*am, Darryl Ramm > wrote:
> On Jun 12, 8:46*pm, Darryl Ramm > wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Jun 11, 5:44*pm, SF > wrote:
>
> > > I'm, running See You Mobile on the HP310 as a backup NAV system, and I
> > > really like it except for the failure to get a contest start in 6 out
> > > of 6 attempts at R5E. *Does anyone know the secret combination to
> > > getting it give you a contest start??
>
> > It is not clear from the question what the exact symptoms are. *If it
> > is more involved it is probably better to ask this question on the
> > Naviter SeeYou Mobile support forum. And as others have suggested I
> > expect that playing with the simulator will help you a lot.
>
> > When you say "Get a US Contest Start" are you getting a start at all
> > or just not one that complies with the exact USA rules?
>
> > During a Start you should see a white banner appear at the of the
> > screen with a start time and speed and the Start box (which looks like
> > a navbox) *should show the start time in place of "--:--:--" and the
> > nice lady saying "Task Started". Are you getting that behavior?
>
> > Are you displaying task property navboxes (like tDelta, tRemain, tDis,
> > etc.) and seeing them behave as you expect or is it just that you
> > don't see a Start announcement and Start box pop up? (the later is
> > working as designed if you have previously pressed the Start button).
>
> > Were you starting out the top or the start cylinder and expecting
> > SeeYou Mobile to do a start then? It won't, it will only start out the
> > side of the cylinder AFAIK, but to confuse things SeeYou (PC software)
> > will score starts out the top and can be set to somewhat *follow USA
> > style start rules)
>
> > Have you been pressing *the "Start --:--:--" button? Or the start
> > button with a time value in it and then surprised that you don't see
> > another Start button when you actually try to Start?
>
> > Is there a task loaded on the PDA. Yes sorry, a question equivalent to
> > "is the PC plugged in" - and it should be obvious since you should see
> > the loaded task on the map display. Go to Menu>Task>Tools>Load
> > Task... *to pick one of the predefined tasks (with an iPAQ 310 usually
> > written to the SD card from SeeYou on your PC and then plugged into
> > the 310).
>
> > Do you have the correct OZ settings for the start? Do you see the
> > start cylinder displayed on the map (default ugly semi-transparent
> > pink circle).
>
> > Another issue (which won't be causing all your problems) is if SeeYou
> > Mobile thinks you have finished a task (or maybe it's just made it to
> > the first turnpoint, regardless if you press the Start button and you
> > try to repeat the task it won't give you a start. *The only way that I
> > know for sure to force SeeYou Mobile to allow you to run another task
> > is to restart the Application (Menu>Exit). Maybe there are better
> > ways.
>
> > ---
>
> > As other mentioned using the Simulator built into SeeYou Mobile can be
> > useful in exploring the software behavior. *You can also play with the
> > SeeYou Mobile Simulator on a PC, although I think the exact versions
> > of the PC simulator might not always keep up with the latest SeeYou
> > Mobile releases for PDAs and PNAs. For the ultimate simulation hook
> > your PDA or PNA up to your PC (using a serial port or over bluetooth)
> > and run a soaring simulator like Condor or Silent wings and feed the
> > simulated NMEA output to your PDA or PNA. For a (painfully) detailed
> > description of how to use Silent Wings on a Mac to drive SeeYou Mobile
> > on a PDA seehttp://www.darrylramm.com/2008/12/04/silent-wings-on-a-mac-to-seeyou-...
>
> > Darryl
>
> Oops and I need to correct myself.... I forgot the Start reset
> behavior (I never use it).
>
> You don't have to restart SeeYou... If you do want to do another start
> after you press the Start button. You can go to Menu>Task and select
> the Start waypoint at the top of the page and then press the Goto
> button at the bottom of the page.
>
> This is resetting the logical position in the task and is different
> than just changing the Goto on a map page, that won't do what you
> want.
>
> I'll be quiet now...
>
> Darryl

I know how to restart the task, from the task menu, sometimes it works
and sometimes it doesn't

Scott

> I know how to restart the task, from the task menu, sometimes it works
> and sometimes it doesn't

Scott, I've been trying to transmit this message to the Naviter folks
for some time now, without success (see my "Feature request" thread on
their forum). I know the rules/procedure for start and re-start but,
as you say - sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't (in real life
or simulated). During the 15m Nats in Cordele I've only had non-
starts in SeeYou Mobile.

So the problem seems to the "arming" the start logic with some degree
of confidence.

Is there any other user out there who can confirm that he/she gets it
right every time?

Thanks,
KL